Masari Meeting Table Logs

10-3-2020

camthegeek10/01/2020
meeting this saturday yeah? I will not be here.
BazookaJeff10/01/2020
yeah
I will try to host it
@thaer you should attend as well
Raum10/02/2020
We should hold a meeting once a year.
xwerter10/02/2020
I can’t make it to this one.
thaer 10/03/2020
Sorry I can’t attend this one
Raum10/03/2020
not that someone expected another outcome
BazookaJeff10/05/2020
yikes. apologies for not showing up to the meeting. I had something come up that was unavoidable.
/dev/aux10/06/2020
@thaer Where is your beard?
thaer 10/06/2020
It has grown lol just an avatar update, previous one’s 5 years old or so
BazookaJeff10/07/2020
you look smaler

9-05-2020

xwerterToday at 10:01 AM
hi all
thaer Today at 10:01 AM
Hello everyone :wave:
BazookaJeffToday at 10:02 AM
who is all here?
xwerterToday at 10:02 AM
dont be shy
BazookaJeffToday at 10:03 AM
lmao I think it’s just us
camthegeekToday at 10:03 AM
I’m around
BazookaJeffToday at 10:04 AM
I think some of the biggest issues we need to cover are

  1. people think this coin is dead
  2. we need more utilization like being put on a crypto checkout site
  3. we need to look at the roadmap and fix it
    marmulakToday at 10:05 AM
    :wave:
    thaer Today at 10:10 AM
    On #2, in terms of utilization, this would be a strategy that help financially as well, is to have a product or service that is based in cryptocurrency.
    Not too long ago I started looking into market viability for a cryptocurrency based ecommerce mobile app (i.e. like Bitify), with its own wallet integrations not surprisingly to include Masari and Monero as alternative payments.
    The expected amount of volume from an idea like that is too low, despite there being a missing easy to use service like this, but the idea holds true for others
    I’m constantly thinking of ideas like this and would promote others to do the same, since it would bring healthy cashflow into the system
    girugameshToday at 10:10 AM
    :wave:
    thaer Today at 10:11 AM
    In the meantime, I’ve made a shortlist of features that I think would be needed for whatever the app product/service may be , and in my free time whenever I get it I’ll be working on those features regardless of whether or not there’s an idea worth executing on, so when there is one, we’re fairly ready to just deploy
    this is independent of what anybody else may have for ideas in this community, but I think it’s worth sharing what I currently have in my forefront of thoughts for Masari, a strategy that would monetize and get me my time back in the long term
    BazookaJeffToday at 10:13 AM
    IMO it would be good to make some progress on that and make it public so we can attract help easier.
    camthegeekToday at 10:14 AM
    So I started on a system that gives a purpose to Masari, many months ago, which is a job/bounty site. Payouts were available in XMR and Monero. I’ll gladly pick that project back up if there’s interest.
    BazookaJeffToday at 10:15 AM
    at the very least we can put work up for masari and maybe get bites.
    camthegeekToday at 10:15 AM
    I did have a demo running at one point. I can get it back up this week.
    BazookaJeffToday at 10:15 AM
    maybe we can help fund that.
    so you are doing it alone
    thaer Today at 10:15 AM
    I agree Jeff, but when there’s market fit for a product or service that gives utilization for #2 , otherwise it’ be just a backend features list of things
    xwerterToday at 10:16 AM
    there is something similar for Monero now – Monerojobs.com I think
    lorythrilToday at 10:16 AM
    I think a good part of our issues right now is the perception that development has stopped, not slowed down. If thaer made a bit of noise on social media, it would go a long way to dispelling that
    thaer Today at 10:16 AM
    Cam great to hear you’ve been working on similar lines of thought, have you done analysis on how much of a market there is for something like this?
    i.e. lets say with Bitcoin and Monero as payments for an MVP, what would the revenue potentially look like?
    camthegeekToday at 10:17 AM
    On a fiat scale, you’d have things like fiverr and upwork for comparison. On a crypto scale, there was an ERC20 based token that was 100% based on a system like this. I can’t recall who it was but I did see that it was used
    Judging Calculating revenue on services like this is also very dependant on the amount of marketing put forth. :stuck_out_tongue:
    thaer Today at 10:18 AM
    that last bit’s the scariest one I think lol I am shying away from products/services that need the network effect
    camthegeekToday at 10:20 AM
    Absolutely understand that. I think for my idea, there is a demand for something of the nature but not as much as there is a demand for a completely different type of system ran on a network that isn’t clear 😉
    ArqTras [ArQmA]Today at 10:21 AM
    Offering pay for service like cam said doesn’t attract many people ? Do they ?
    thaer Today at 10:21 AM
    I used Bitify and some others as a good example for the ecommerce idea, and over the years they’re active they maybe made tops ~$50k/year in revenue, not accounting for costs, so these kind of ideas are probably hard when there’s already viable fiat alternatives that have the network to back it up
    ArqTras [ArQmA]Today at 10:21 AM
    Masari funding
    thaer Today at 10:22 AM
    It can’t be Masari-specific, the focus will have to be Bitcoin and Monero
    ArqTras [ArQmA]Today at 10:22 AM
    It’s bright idea however could bring more attention from other communities as well – so more marketing
    camthegeekToday at 10:22 AM
    Absolutely can’t be Masari specific, but Masari could be accepted.
    thaer Today at 10:22 AM
    It would just be very convenient to add Masari as an alternative payment method
    camthegeekToday at 10:22 AM
    yeah
    xwerterToday at 10:23 AM
  4. There are lot of uncertainties regarding Masari, especially if the development will ever come back, so people are very cautious. From market point of view this coin is dead because developemnt stopped and there is no big product/service for MSR. Core is becoming outdated so we are not even a backup of XMR. Few people here, it is very hard to get the ball rolling from this point.
    camthegeekToday at 10:24 AM
    thaer, any specific language you’re okay with on developing a system like this?
    thaer Today at 10:26 AM
    Funny you mention that lol okay so frontend’s never been my thing and I did some surveying of what’s out there
    greywolfToday at 10:26 AM
    hello, happy saturday
    thaer Today at 10:26 AM
    I feel like Flutter+Firebase would be amazing and easy to deploy
    so Dart for the app development side, and whatever for the backend using Firebase
    ArqTras [ArQmA]Today at 10:29 AM
    Does Masari really need to be updated to latest xmr codebase ? It would be enauf to update to latest external libraries , mayby modern Cmake and compatibility
    thaer Today at 10:29 AM
    few advantages there, biggest two are autoscaling since it’s a cloud-native backend, and multi-platform support with a single codebase
    Masari doesn’t really need to be updated to latest xmr codebase, in my opinion in needs cashflow which is this conversation revolving around #2 that Jeff mentioned
    camthegeekToday at 10:30 AM
    Ah, using that stack eliminates a good amount of work needed
    thaer Today at 10:31 AM
    yep, can just focus on doing the work and not fiddling with random things that fall apart
    Anyways, that’s the strategy I have for #2, unblocking myself with a feature shortlist independent of the idea, and hopefully something we can sell for $9.99 or whatever it is, in BTC/XMR, and expand to MSR
    BazookaJeffToday at 10:36 AM
    I think we need to revisit helping out XMR where we can like when the coin first started.
    prob should be a monero channel in the discord
    I always thought of MSR as a litecoin to Monero
    thaer Today at 10:38 AM
    I agree, I think a viable product will do just that, as it would bring useful cashflow into this space
    xwerterToday at 10:39 AM
    me too, Masari looked like what Aeon should be like
    thaer Today at 10:39 AM
    The idea would need to be more than enough for Monero’s market cap so that it would be enough revenue for me or others to work on full time, targetting BTC first, with XMR and MSR as the alternative to BTC
    /dev/auxToday at 10:41 AM
    Hi 🙂
    Loki started some DeFi stuff
    Can we do this, too?
    camthegeekToday at 10:42 AM
    @thaer You’ve got the idea for what seems to be a mobile-based app. I’m assuming it’s also marketplace based, meaning users buy/sell?
    xwerterToday at 10:43 AM
    simple private tokens will be DeFi 🙂
    camthegeekToday at 10:45 AM
    Sure, let’s have a wMSR :rofl:
    Have people pay huge fees for transfers
    And we pay a fat fee for a new contract (last I checked, roughly $1200, could be wrong) 🙂
    /dev/auxToday at 10:45 AM
    It’s always about the hype
    BazookaJeffToday at 10:47 AM
    I think if it is really going to get done, there should be short measurable goals for all of us to follow.
    and not a deadline per se but a clear direction
    one of the things that shot msr in the foot was grand ideas that eventually got forgotten about.
    I’m guilty of it with taiga. I just didn’t have the time for all that I wanted to get done.
    but I did get a lot done in the time I could
    What are we going to do about the roadmap?
    thaer Today at 10:50 AM
    Not surprisingly, the current roadmap is still what I’d like for Masari, just currently with no time to execute on, hence the strategy I’m publicly disclosing on how to get my efforts back on Masari in a stable way
    However obviously it’s open to modifications with the community
    BazookaJeffToday at 10:51 AM
    I mean be my guest to get it done :stiopic:
    :Yeet:
    camthegeekToday at 10:52 AM
    I think the whole rebase thing should be left behind for now, as well as blocktree. We need a MVP for Masari.. not copy/paste someone elses code and make it compatible with ours.. Blocktree was an okay goal but not something that could bring in plenty of new people, money, etc.
    thaer Today at 10:53 AM
    there’s always the fear of over-engineering, and the theme is typically doing something before it’s needed because it may never be
    When there’s high demand and cashflow, Blocktree would become a necessity
    camthegeekToday at 10:55 AM
    Absolutely! So perhaps we should move those items on the list further down, focus on creating new product(s) made by Masari and put it on the map.
    BazookaJeffToday at 10:55 AM
    I’m down for that.
    include XMR in the mix.
    xwerterToday at 10:56 AM
    I agree
    camthegeekToday at 10:56 AM
    I’m open for collaboration on almost any project. I do get quite a bit of time per day M-F to work on things and often find myself lurking on discord and other places. I’d like to put that time into development instead. :stuck_out_tongue:
    BazookaJeffToday at 10:57 AM
    I’ve been around since the beginning working on art/graphics/vids so once something is made, I can make materials for it.
    I just need stuff to promote.
    thaer Today at 11:00 AM
    Jeff is the definition of OG lol calling me out on not having a Reddit header from the very beginning
    camthegeekToday at 11:01 AM
    Nice. I recently purchased a canva.com pro account and have the ability to invite others to my team there if you need an additional resource for marketing material :stuck_out_tongue:
    BazookaJeffToday at 11:02 AM
    lmao
    yes let’s do that.
    what measurable goals can we set for this month so we can end the meeting with a new direction?
    we can touch base next month to see how far we came/if we completed the tasks
    I am going to edit the MSR video a bit and try to make some chinese subtitles.
    ^ if anyone can help in other languages, please reach out or we are stuck with google translate
    xwerterToday at 11:05 AM
    https://youtu.be/sx35j8IWw3Y
    YouTube
    Bazooka Jeff
    Masari: Elegant Privacy

BazookaJeffToday at 11:05 AM
I could ask a chinese friend of mine
but they want money for translations
Also, @jbt helped to fund MSR engagement site. Tip him if you want!
camthegeekToday at 11:09 AM
Nice
Translation overlays on videos are helpful
Send your email to me in DM @BazookaJeff and I’ll invite you to my canva account.
So far, we’ve got an idea to put aside current efforts on roadmap and focus on a product Masari team can build and deploy that makes more use of BTC and XMR, with MSR also being an option.

We’ve got an additional resource for creating marketing material now.

We need to find out ways we can better market things. Posting on BTCTalk forum, reddit, discord, etc.. daily would be beneficial.
xwerterToday at 11:14 AM
I can help with that
BazookaJeffToday at 11:14 AM
bazookajeff@protonmail.com
xwerterToday at 11:14 AM
tried to be somewhat active
camthegeekToday at 11:16 AM
Great. We’ll re-establish a marketing team and start doing some internal marketing communication regarding what we currently have and working on.
Pinned was also a few other topics: crypto-checkout. I think this would be neat to have but it does come with a cost. I can get that information and once I have the funding system up and running, perhaps we could community fund that and knock it out.
BazookaJeffToday at 11:18 AM
That sounds good.
I think @thaer can leave us with some direction and we can call it if everyone is good.
camthegeekToday at 11:20 AM
Invite sent @BazookaJeff
BazookaJeffToday at 11:21 AM
I will check for it :onnit:
camthegeekToday at 11:26 AM
thaer and I have been messaging in private regarding the idea mentioned above. I believe this is something that most certainly will come to life.
thaer Today at 11:30 AM
In terms of direction, I believe there’s a tangible plan for #2 that was listed, which is independent of Masari but obviously something it would benefit from, for #1, no it’s not dead, and #3 I think for the time being it’s fair to keep the roadmap as is and to revisit it when timelines start to make sense
I can’t repeat this enough but it’s thanks to huge efforts and commitments from people like @BazookaJeff and @camthegeekthat make this community what it is (and everybody else in the past, the contribution list and @’s would be endless)
BazookaJeffToday at 11:34 AM
ty thaer
camthegeekToday at 11:38 AM
I’ll continue development on the improved funding system as well as my bounty/jobs site.
I’m hoping @thaer and I start making some sort of progress in the next 30 days on the idea discussed earlier.
with that said, I’m away for the day to be with my kids. I think @BazookaJeff and @The Cypherpunk Journal had a give away going on twitter that ends today! :p
thaer Today at 11:47 AM
Okay I think that’s it, thank you @BazookaJeff and @camthegeek for putting this meeting together, and thanks to everybody else that joined us this morning/afternoon/evening of yours
xwerterToday at 11:48 AM
thank you all

2-08-2020

camthegeekYesterday at 3:35 PM
If you have any topics you wish to discuss at tomorrows (08 Feb 2020 1500 UTC) meeting, feel free to post them here now.

Additionally, if you are not able to attend and have questions for the team, you’re more than welcome to post them here and they will be answered during the meeting.
BazookaJeffYesterday at 6:02 PM
It would be good to discuss how we can get more devs to contribute to MSR.
I think a lot of them go the Monero route. We might be able to get some new talent by targeting universities.
I’m sure there is at least 1 potentially interested person somewhere who has the abilities and skills we are looking for.
BazookaJeffToday at 8:49 AM
prob need to touch on the seed node issue, the funding page issue, and rebasing.
I am working on some new marketing materials as people saw with my GIFs and videos. I plan on making some vanilla videos for normal people. My aim is for MSR to look elegant, simple, and futuristic.
camthegeekToday at 8:59 AM
I can add the community server to the seed list. I can probably toss a node up on one of the few vps’ I have as well.
BazookaJeffToday at 8:59 AM
Guess that solves that.
So funding page and seed nodes are taken care of.
There have been some minor updates to our reddit page http://www.reddit.com/r/masari as well as other areas.
We could probably use a medium update. I think we ought to aim for at least 4 this year even if things are slow.
camthegeekToday at 9:12 AM
Since last meeting:
Desktop version of web wallet is available -> https://github.com/masari-project/masari-gui-wallet/releases/tag/2.0.0

Our funding system went down, which was hosted by gnock (one of the original developers who mysteriously vanished). @thaer forwarded the DNS for it over to our community server, in which I will bring up a more updated version of the funding system and provide additional access to the core team.

Masari merchants: I’m at a crawl on this due to surgery and recovery this week. I will continue on this as the days come by.

Social media engagement: @ BazookaJeff and I have been coming up with content to spread and share on Twitter and other outlets. Our results so far have been very hopeful and we continue to see an increase in user engagement across platforms.
GitHub
masari-project/masari-gui-wallet
Wallet for Masari cryptocurrency by The Masari Core Team – masari-project/masari-gui-wallet

BazookaJeffToday at 9:17 AM
I think it would be wise to push some marketing material about the new desktop wallet.
I will get on that.
and included it in my current project.
camthegeekToday at 9:44 AM
It would be good to push it out there a bit so we can get more to test and give feedback on.
I’d like to give it a bit of a visual update as well
Sorry for slow responses, dad duty on Saturdays 😛
doop > i<3trtlToday at 9:45 AM Thaer, just quit xmranonToday at 9:46 AM Giving the desktop wallet some exposure is a great idea – as the web wallet was/is such a big positive to msr KafkathedogToday at 9:53 AM I will be looking at re-building my shop in wordpress, sometime this year so I would be interested in your crypto plugin @camthegeek thaer Today at 10:01 AM
@doop > i<3trtl already did back in June 2019, I’ll ban your account if you keep with these passive aggressive statements – it was bad enough with you attributing evidence-less malicious intent to members here earlier with the hacked MasariPay server situation doop > i<3trtlToday at 10:05 AM
Oh so I’m the bad guy? If you actually quit you would have removed your role and gave full access to an appointed community member.

Now is it wrong for me to ponder about the hack? MasariPay was hacked and community money is gone. Funding page is still down. Seeds are down. And you never realize it without the community finding out. Re-attributing everything to, oh I think gnock still has control of that etc etc.

Passive aggressive? How about your complete negligence. If you actually quit in June 2019, you wouldn’t still be doing PR for it like in the McAfee related podcast
you owe the community this
You said you quit so why would you ban me@if you have no ties?
theanswerToday at 10:08 AM
:popcorn:
thaer Today at 10:09 AM
Funny, the only thing I have sole access to has been seed nodes, everything else has been managed and controlled by other community members, and any admin rights I may have on it are only because I’ve been paying for it or made it (i.e. Discord, @getmasari.org emails)
doop > i<3trtlToday at 10:14 AM So let’s get this on record You quit Then hand over everything to the community like to Cam@and Bazooka You said you quit June 2019 That means you aren’t coding This is the communities money they put in MandarijnenToday at 10:17 AM Focus on the postive things guys. Too bad about the tipbot thingie but it was no thousands of dollars as far as I heard, lets get over it. Thaer working on the coin in feb, angrywasp pitching in, the rest of the old MSR team is still staying strong too.I say this coin is picking up the pieces and looking forward. thaer Today at 10:17 AM
Right, so from last meeting’s announcement on me preparing to schedule hours in this month is now null and void because some anonymous account is upset that I stepped down as a core developer in June 2019, and neglecting how I barely have control on any of the community platforms?
doop > i<3trtlToday at 10:18 AM You’re changing your words You said quit Now you said stepped down thaer Today at 10:18 AM
those are the same thing
doop > i<3trtlToday at 10:18 AM No it’s not thaer Today at 10:18 AM
Cam puts up a gui wallet, you say “Thaer, just quit”, insinuating development related inactivity
doop > i<3trtlToday at 10:19 AM Cam puts up a gui wallet. Thaer didn’t Thaer said he quit June 2019 phToday at 10:19 AM And so?lol doop > i<3trtlToday at 10:19 AM Now if you don’t do anything this month You lied again bye thaer Today at 10:22 AM
so you’re leaving? okay goodbye then
back to the meeting
Thank you for making notice, the two seed nodes I have sole access to seem to have been under duress and they may have been DDOSed, looking into it at the moment
getting too many authentication failure errors, the ssh ports are locked to a single IP so I’m not sure what was going on there, looking into logs for further insight
MandarijnenToday at 10:31 AM
Rally up the community with another community voting of some sorts, maybe not just another Exchange but with my other favorite coin we managed to get on cryptocurrencycheckout dot com. I’m not tech savvy enough to fully explain but the website does a lot…it makes your coin easily adaptable in webshops. Update: Shit, when scrolling back in this channel i notice someone proposed the same thing, lol… credits go to dev/aux 🙂
Dunno if it got picked up though.
camthegeekToday at 10:37 AM
@Kafkathedog if you need help, do let me know.
@Mandarijnen Know the associated costs for being added? We were on a vote list once, where banano and some other coin had about 500x the amount of votes as us!
BazookaJeffToday at 10:40 AM
Banano guys are really fervent. Bad timing for us.
TyphooNToday at 10:41 AM
They don’t mention what the fee may be, but it seems that there might not always be a fee depending on the project, if it wins the Community Coin of the Month vote, etc: https://cryptocurrencycheckout.com/listing_policy
CryptocurrencyCheckout
Listing/Delisting Policy – CryptocurrencyCheckout Platform.
The CryptocurrencyCheckout Listing and Delisting policy for Coins/Tokens.
Their discord is here if anybody wants to further investigate: https://discordapp.com/invite/57UN9t7
thaer Today at 10:42 AM
okay, one seed node’s still up (50.17.174.202), the other one somehow had run out of disk even though it should have more than enough (~80 GB of storage)
MandarijnenToday at 10:43 AM
I actually have some banano too, lol. But if you finish second they list you too if you are nice. Just tell them you’re nice. 😉
But userbase activity is worth alot too.
camthegeekToday at 10:44 AM
@thaer thanks for checking those!
@Mandarijnen thanks for the insight :slight_smile:
Calling an end to meeting in next 10 minutes.
TyphooNToday at 10:51 AM
Is there any information about the depth of the rebasing? Is it going to be a full rebase to monero v0.15.x including implementing SECOR with long term block weight, difficulty_top64, cumulative_difficulty_top64, etc? Or is the goal mostly to have ledger support and a few other things cherry picked?
thaer Today at 10:53 AM
the node that was down is now synchronizing, should be up to date shortly
@TyphooN the two code bases are quite apart now and a rebase would effectively involve re-implementation of our differences on into Monero’s base and making sure all the consensus versions and rules are aligned
TyphooNToday at 10:59 AM
Yup – it is quite a lot of work which is why I ask. But I also recognize that if it can be done then maybe monero and other upstream coins would be interested in implementing SECOR within their own projects. I just wasn’t sure if that had yet been discussed, or if a decision had been made in that regard.
thaer Today at 11:00 AM
it wouldn’t be too hard I think, just very tedius lol the way I’d approach it is by using Monero’s base that we’re off of and getting an entire diff of what’s different, and can go from there, starting with the versioning changes to align things up, then including the bigger components into it
so use the older base as a way to get a clean diff, then mapping it onto a newer base
TyphooNToday at 11:01 AM
I suppose we will get more information as @angrywasp progresses with his work on the rebase
BazookaJeffToday at 11:01 AM
@thaer you think you could start a trello?
thaer Today at 11:02 AM
we already have one actually, let me dig it up
I do think that Github Issues is better for this though
Trello might make sense on other angles
TyphooNToday at 11:04 AM
BTW just wanted to say, kudos to @thaer and the entire current masari team for making time every weekend for these meetings. I usually read them afterward and am not around during them. For someone who “quit” the project Thaer surely makes a big effort to be there when the community wants. :thumbsup:
BazookaJeffToday at 11:05 AM
@thaer were you able to free up some time in February for work on MSR?
thaer Today at 11:09 AM
A bunch of the releases that were supposed to happen late January were pushed back into February, but I’m a bit freed up now compared to this last week which has been hectic.
In terms of hours, I’ll be putting aside a few hours looking into the rebase situation by end of day today or tomorrow
BazookaJeffToday at 11:11 AM
Sounds good. I will continue my animation work then and we can continue towards a strong 2020. :muscle:
thaer Today at 11:13 AM
the Trello page looks to be down (it was started by somebody else, we never really used it), we can spin up a new one as needed
BazookaJeffToday at 11:14 AM
that works.
thaer Today at 11:49 AM
Alright that concludes this round, thanks everyone!
camthegeekToday at 11:54 AM
Next community meeting 22 February, 2020 at 1500 UTC.